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My own interpretation of a newly, bit controversial theory regarding the canines of the famous saber toothed cat. Can't say I'm much of an expert on the subject, but the need for protection and overall fragility of the teeth make me feel that some form of sheathing, wether it be from the upper or lower lips, was liklier than fully exposed canines. Regardless, I quite like the bulldogesque design, and perhaps a slightly more traditionally "realistic" approach might make it seem more palatable to the general audience.

Here is the blog post:
antediluviansalad.blogspot.mx/

Painting is a bit blotchy as I didn't really intend for this to be a finished piece, so apologies if it looks a bit rushed in places.

hope you guys like it, Be sure to watch me and check out my tumblr and facebook as well, for more of my work!

If you like my work, and feel you have an interesting idea that you would like to see me reproduce, I am open to commisions! If you like Dinosaurs, Pokemon, Historical Recreation, or similar what have you's, feel free to contact me!
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:icongozer-the-destroyor:
Gozer-The-Destroyor Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017
"Give me back my floppy face!"
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:iconwolfdino27fnaf:
wolfdino27FNAF Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2017  Student General Artist
big bulldog cat xD
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
CatDog CatDog
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:iconwolfdino27fnaf:
wolfdino27FNAF Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2017  Student General Artist
lol
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Wesdaaman Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2017  Student General Artist
It should be noted that other animals like Hippopotamus are able to achieve a wide gap without tearing tissue by the moderate folding of the orbicularis oris muscle, and such a muscle configuration exists in other large felids. It is stated that phylogenetic bracketing is the most reliable way of restoring the life-appearance of many animals, and the Smilodon restorations by people like Charles R. Knight are therefore still accurate.
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:iconwwcb:
WWCB Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017
One way to back up the theory of barred teeth is evidence in an African cryptid known as the Ennedi tiger
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not super sure of the point you are trying to make, this lip configuration doesn't exactly exclude the existance of these muscles, moreso the fact that the hippos hide their teeth as well. Even by your own argument, Charles R. Knight's isn't really any more accurate than "my" representation of the animal. For one thing, we have an existing felid that has saber teeth and pouches within which to hide them, the clouded leopard.

So if anything both mine and the traditional representation of the Smilodon are at a disadvantage against representations hiding the teeth within the lower lips. So much so, in fact, that I would dare say that people like Mauricio Anton are willfully perpetuating an unsubstantiated meme when making literally every sabertooth show it's canines.

Even moreso, I wouldn't take the anthropological  evidence (or lack thereof) too lightly. Humans are known to capture and emphasize in artwork aspects of nature that create an impression on their collective psique, and saber teeth would have made a hell of an impression. The fact that we have found literally no representation of smilodon in paleolithic artwork I say is a fairly convincing argument to make, that early humans didn't really see too much of a difference between a Lion and a Smilodon.
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:iconwwcb:
WWCB Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017
One way to back up the theory of barred teeth is evidence in an African cryptid known as the Ennedi tiger
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well it would first have to stop being a cryptid :P
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:iconwwcb:
WWCB Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2017
Hey, just because its existence hasn't been confirmed, doesn't mean it isn't real.

The platypus, for example, was once thought to be a hoax. Obviously it isn't.
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hatzegopteryx03 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2016  Student General Artist
Bulldog cat!
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Bullcatdog.
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:iconhatzegopteryx03:
hatzegopteryx03 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Student General Artist
DugCaetBoewl (herp derp!)
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Ewarriorcat Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016  Student Artist
I love this digital painting but I don't like the idea that it has big flabby jowl things covering the teeth. I don't like bulldogs (got bitten by one as a young child on the arm) . :(

I still believe that the teeth showed. (I do believe In the new SPINOSAURUS however)
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TheSax66 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well you can believe one or the other since the hypothesis has neither been proven nor disproven decisively. Though youch, a bulldog bite has to hurt, sorry to hear that, I heard they are generally nice dogs!
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:iconjdailey1991:
Jdailey1991 Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016
At least you didn't go overboard with the jowls.
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To be honest I feel they are a bit to flappy for my liking, I plan to revamp the design later on.
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:iconmeglind:
Meglind Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2016  Student Filmographer
No pls he's mouth's dewlap will be destroy the universe
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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:iconmeglind:
Meglind Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2016  Student Filmographer
Like this ;(
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:iconhublerdon:
HUBLERDON Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Diabeetus is NO laughing matter.
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:iconospreyeagle:
Ospreyeagle Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh wow. I haven't seen this yet! Amazing! o.O
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Giraffesocks Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
whythelongface im sorry ill leave
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grisador Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2016
Amazing work :D
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:iconpyroraptor42:
Pyroraptor42 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2016
it looks like a bulldog a little! and a bit funny too! I wonder how much will this piss dino-awesomebros :)!
Good work! rebloged on tumblr!
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warnett Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2016
I like this new idea.  Even though it makes the cat look a lot funnier in the process.  But hey, reality is reality.  
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:iconperfectchaos22:
PerfectChaos22 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's Grumpy Cat's ancestor XD
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AnonymousLlama428 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Churchill?
XD just kidding.
Really interesting idea you have there. Initially I thought it would be awkward looking for a cat, but this looks pretty natural.
Still, given the fact that many sabretoothed carnivores (including some cats) evolved larger chins/flanges, I would imagine them to indicate lower lip pouches, though I'm no expert here.
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TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It may well be, but I have taken to believe that smilodon having relatively small flanges compared to other sabertooths suggests a more upper lip varient of lips. It could go both ways though.
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AnonymousLlama428 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
As far as I'm aware, Megantereon (Smilodon's probable ancestor) had them:
chasingsabretooths.files.wordp…
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TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well thats an arttistic representation, the actual skulls don't seem especially pronounced:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
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AnonymousLlama428 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
That first one. Are you sure that's Megantereon? The label suggests otherwise.
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not aware of any Megantereum species having the genera name Machairodus, so it's either refering to the Machairodontinae sub-family or it messed up.

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AnonymousLlama428 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Probably mislabelled; it looks much more like a machairodus.
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AnonymousLlama428 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Interesting. I should think this will vary between the different species of Megantereon.
The image I showed you was based off of a skull:
chasingsabretooths.files.wordp…
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TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Huh, beats me. Though then one has to wonder at what point would it have started to reduce in size.
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AnonymousLlama428 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Mhm. I'm not entirely sure which species of Megantereon was Smilodon's precursor, though M. cultridens is the most famous name out there.
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JoakinMar Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016
Ver controversial theory. I don't know if actually how the lips could cover completely the tooth but is a new interpretation that can create a lot of debate. But I prefer to be more cautious with these ideas. I believe speculation is something good but is an idea that has no solid proof. And reading the author of the blog, is like he claims this to be the true theory but I think is a very speculative hypothesis. I don't know but with these things is bettet be cautious.

Regarding out of this, fantastic work. I think this is the best reconstruction about this new curious theory.
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nothing is fact until 100% proven, it's just one of several interpretations.
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:icontarbano:
tarbano Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016
Real or fake, lovely picture!
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:iconthesax66:
TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thanks!
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Tacimur Featured By Owner Edited Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Whenever I see these speculative reconstructions I think of their proposed feeding method, using the carnassials to shear meat off carcasses. The question where the overly large lips go in that process hasn't really been answered for me. I've seen artists provide very simplified sketches where the lip just "pulls up" as if it didn't have any volume of its own, or just disappears conveniently into the Z plane.
So... how? Serious, interested question.

The painting is amazing, though. :)
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TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My main inspiration for the piece was a pitbull, a common sight around these parts of the world, and a rather imposing figure. It helps that anatomically speaking, smilodon are the pitbull equivalent of the big cats.
It's not a 1:1 comparison obviously, and these massive types of lips can come in different shapes and sizes, assuming they existed at all, but I mean, Lips aren't exactly heavy:

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/0…
www.vote29.com/newmyblog/wp-co…
i.ytimg.com/vi/HLzvxZqN6Wk/max…
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Tacimur Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the reply. That led to me looking up pictures of yawning dogs, since a lot of "snarly" pics are just mid-bark where gravity does all sorts of tricks. Seems that feeding with that kind of anatomy would be possible with the mouth corners pulled way back. ... and I just realized that this looks like the setup for a "Smile"odon joke.
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Dontknowwhattodraw94 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow, this has got to be the best one yet about this subject!
I think pockets in the lower jaw are more likely too, but this is just nice. It doesn't look that much like a dog to me, but also doesn't has the typical feline look. Nicely intermediate :)
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TheSax66 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's great, glad you liked :D.
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snugglesthedinosaur Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Imagine the jiggles!:happybounce: 
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TheDilophoraptor Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I've seen that it might be better to have something like flesh pockets for sabers since it seems all other animals with sabers have a sort of flange that the tooth slides into, and might end up seeming more like big flabby chins instead of jowls.
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Tacimur Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Musk deer for example have neither and seem to be doing fine. Unless the two aren't really comparable, then I've said nothing. ^^
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TheDilophoraptor Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The issue is tusks are not covered in enamel, but creatine, which does not need constant contact with saliva (Croc teeth are also covered in this), but in phylogeny and the use of these fangs of smilodon, Enamel makes much more sense for Smilodon to have.
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